Headless Unicorn Guy: And then theres written Gaelic, which HAD to have been spelled by Scots specifically to screw up Englishmens minds. Sorry about the previous post. Ken F (aka Tweed): Is calling someone a Calvinist any worse than calling a person a Lutheran or a Mennonite? They come from a denomination which has long settled theological distinctives. (Dee). Instead of irresistible grace we believed all those God the Father foreknew would accept Christ got the chance, even were receivers of providential grace to give them that chance. Such pastors will flow with the prevailing theology in order to stay afloat long enough to retire. Nick Bulbeck: the fundamental problem with calvinism-ism began before Calvin ever wrote a word of his (his) institutes. But listen to this. From the PA Grabd Jury Report: a pornagraphy ring was run by Priests that circulated pedo pictures, including a naked boy on the cross?? Southern Baptists may be waking up too late to this mess, but the ones who have stirred out of their slumber in my area care a LOT about the young reformers wrecking havoc in their churches. I think it is time to read The Subtle Signs of Spiritual Abuse again. He is a man of above-average stature. Todd makes a guess about who is bankrolling Chantrys defense. Just my own thinking here: my perception is that traditional Reformed do take some issue with the compression of their elaborate system and tradition to one of its (admittedly very important and controversial) elements, monergistic infernalistic (double) predestinarianism. Im sorry that you dont care. Neither do a lot of classic Calvinists. Fv 27, 2023 . When the pastor borrows non-Calvinist language and concepts, you cannot blame the naive pew for not properly understanding what Calvinism is. I dont mean to be obnoxious. Im probably the only never-Christian person who reads TWW. Few pursue this through to all of the horrible, logical conclusions, which most pastors attempt to keep hidden until the people are in too deep to escape. So OK, but what does believe mean? ishy: The issue has never been Calvinism or Arminianism. That division will not be resolved in this lifetime. These sick freaks were in the news recently. Funny thing about Calvinist like JD and Alastair Begg they give altar calls.They too believe all who will may come.Very, very little difference between modern Calvinists and conservative Arminians.The differences are more theologically technical than practical/behavioral.They both give altar calls. I miss the feeling of being loved, of believing that God was trustworthy and never changing and who desired that none would be lost and a Good Shepherd and Bread of Life and Living Water. Come into my parlor said the spider to the fly.. If this is true (along with irresistible grace), then the only way to explain anyone falling away is to put it on God since it cannot possibly be put on humans since humans have no real choice in the matter. Im sorry this does not sound very nice but it really isnt very nice theology. So the calvinists are special to God (elect). linda: Back in the day, before the dispensational endtimers took over the SBC, there were that sort of Reformed Baptist churches around. Ive had a soft spot for them ever since. dee: I did not know about this. Petes father was born in the north of England in 1930. But I cannot follow a cruel and capricious toddler. +++++++++++++++. This is extremely dangerous, because the minute you suggest god can be known through anything other than scripture, you have implicitly devalued scripture and rejected its authority. Anyone see the Popes comments yesterday?Seems to be saying let bygones be bygones, that the church shouldnt be judged for covering up child sex abuse in the past because thats the way everyone handled things back then The charges stem from evidence state police collected from an investigation involving alleged sexual assault and manufacture of pornography by the four suspects. Release. After the War, SBC began to distance itself from its Calvinistic roots and remained distinctly non-Calvinist in belief and practice for 150 years until Al Mohler and his band of New Calvinists decided to take the denomination back to its roots without asking the millions of non-Calvinist Southern Baptists what they thought about that. By Brett Murray. Page 2 shows that 38% of pastors identify as Calvinist and 35% as Arminian/Wesleyan. Membership Covenants I have also found that not all Calvinists call themselves reformed and not all reformed people call themselves Calvinists, even though the terms are commonly equated (see the Wikipedia entry). Therefore, as God regenerates the elect only for ever by incorruptible seed, as the seed of life once sown in their hearts never perishes, so he effectually seals in them the grace of his adoption, that it may be sure and stedfast. dee: Joe Carter just wrote a piece at TGC on how to make sure your kids dont become atheists. This is exactly what the counter-reformation efforts were post Luther to speak for themselves and Iran is a prime example with tools and traditions dating back to the Persian warriors of old. He traded on his fame, at first in semi-pro ball, later in a series of odd jobs. Once you decide youre going to construct a box into which your God will fit, then youre just carving an idol. Calvinism is never an issue to me. It is always this or that interpretation or understanding or doctrine or conclusion or whatever. I dont know why my comments arent posting, but Ill try again. In his Harrisburg area office recently, Guzy showed stacks of pictures and home movies hes confiscated over the years. Who else has managed to destroy so many people in the past and are expert in infiltration and deceptions and indeed perversions to black wash entire faiths and lead the opposition themselves into oblivion. The only people worthy of rescue would be those who can do nothing but passively participate. The other corporations are the 6 seminaries and the SBC entities (NAMB, IMB, LifeWay, GuideStone, ERLC and WMU). In Luke 5:36-37, Jesus shares a parable with the Phariseesthe tidy-makers. Definitely viscous. We may add, that the reprobate never have any other than a confused sense of grace, laying hold of the shadow rather than the substance, because the Spirit properly seals the forgiveness of sins in the elect only, applying it by special faith to their use. What your dad was referring to was Preservation of the Saints which means once saved always saved and sealed by the Holy Spirit. Max: When I think about it, I never saw a value provided for total SBC assets in my nearly 70 years as a Southern Baptist. It is a staggering loss, and we share your sorrow and sense of betrayal. (Gary Gregg, chairman of Elmbrooks council of elders). As for Spring Harvest, my friends started a Christian music festival before it came along. No, no, a thousand times no: reformed theology is not limited to those who believe in predestination. However, in the Spring of 2019, Pete stepped out of his role as senior Pastor at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship. As a former 60+ year Southern Baptist, I also belonged to a denomination that long ago settled theological distinctives 150 years ago. Now think of the proclivity to torture during the inquisitions and this chantry fellow. Nick Bulbeck: That is just narcissism reallyHe believes himself to be so important that even your bodily functions should obey. Lily Rose: A person becomes a new calvinist, spends a lot of time in mission work or sabotaging local churches to promote neo calvinism in a vain attempt to reach the elect without any guarantee who that might be, and all the while fearing they might not be one of the elect themselves. Its always that kind of response that keeps allowing it to happen. Ill always remember Stewart, but from what I remember Pete was a little arrogant. Pete Briscoe coach pastors on self-care and preaching and also works with business leaders on work/life balance and communications. Very weird indeed. Once upon a time in Germany, both Catholics and Lutherans had right belief coming out the wazoo. The podcast exists to make available sound biblical teaching, practically applied. If we get these doctrines to take root in our souls, then our lives will bear their fruit every where we go.. Darlene: And Ken, as I recall, it was I who told you about evanescent grace in the first place. Neither Calvinists nor Arminians understand the difference between our Standing in Christ which never changes when justified and our State which is always in flux and involved in sanctification. Strangely ironic. Many lay Catholics are hoping and praying that Francis will resign. Root 66: At least they give people a caveat at the outset. By Tony Briscoe. See this 2014 doctrinal survey. I read somewhere that even those who are five point calvinists feel anxious because they dont really know if they were supposed to be predestined as one of the elect or not. For Calvinists, salvation has to be entirely monergistic and not at all synergistic. Well Id be careful how far you push that one. God pulled off a daisy petal and said Go to h*ll to countless men, women and children whom he could just as easily have saved. Pete has the phone number (518) 346-3132 (Verizon New York, Inc). The pope Francis is the first Jesuit pope in history. In my assessment Calvinism is a complicated edifice needing many planks to hold it together in light of its inconsistencies. In my opinion, he would make an ideal expert witness for the upcoming Tom Chantry trial. But it think the question I was addressing was whether or not the term Calvinist is derogatory. It stays with you as you stride out over the tundra on the summit plateaux, and is still with you as you walk back through the ancient pine forests in the glens, with tens of thousands of trees but no two of them the same shape. Nobody cares about this stuff. Some important church service coming up? Calvin moved directly to how we know God and ourselves, to how we are in a relationship with a God who has reached out to a lost people. Your Inside Voice: How You Know God is Speaking Better download some helpful prayers. Many have received that offer. To you, maybe. It is these basic Christian doctrines that form the core of our common faith. TSOO Ive come to the conclusion that Calvinism boils down to: Either youve been chosen or deemed a reprobate before ever taking breath, and theres not a darned thing you can do about it. In other words, is the possible choice of defying God a necessity for there to be a possible choose of choosing God? But youve likely climbed it. Jill has been sharing with her husband in ministry with Torchbearers and in pastoring a church in the United States for three decades. The scripture does mention that at one point God sends a strong delusion because Catholic Gate-Crasher: Oh my gosh. Yes, it is. In the meantime, the New Calvinists have gained control of most SBC seminaries, home and foreign mission agencies, publishing house, church planting program, and a growing number of traditional (non-Calvinist) churches that have been taken over by the stealth and deception of the young, restless and reformed. -Most of us dont aspire very high in our reading because we dont feel like there is any hope. Even the Nicene Creed is an interpretation of scripture, not (for example) a straight unbroken quote from the original Hebrew. Also, it is good t. Also, it is good that they did not tolerate infidelity in their pastorate. The Lutherans are just too sure that what they know is true and have trouble staying quiet about it. During the Korean War, he served in the Royal Marines. History is simply his version of the true story, which usually conceals the true powers that manipulate the talking heads of the day. There are too many other voices than just yours in this situation. All in the name of sola of course for protestants who seem to persist in not dealing with the idea of how sola morphed in many when it comes to interpretations and beliefs. The few who have engaged me in discussion about ended up talking about something else. Nobody cares about this stuff. Yep, you have to look hard to discover they are Southern Baptist! yeah, lets put phrases and punctuation in our souls.thats the ticket. Kristen Dudley, a Pennsylvania state board psychologist, testified that Cosby has an uncontrollable urge to violate young women and would probably commit another offense if given the chance. Well, you have British spelling, so you might just as well go ahead and use one of the British accents; you aint foolin nobody nohow. Ken F (aka Tweed): Here is a LCMS article that illustrates this. You Can't Lose Your Salvation by Pete Briscoe . I think the leadership handled the matter rather well compared to how others usually do. You might think its a non-story until it happens to you, then perhaps youll care! Well, no, you have to quit it with the theology stuff. Evanescent Grace is addressed in Book III, Chapter II, Section 11 in Calvins Institutes. I never detected Southern cultural stuff that you would find at Bob Jones U, for example, but boy were they fundy with alter calls at least once a month, we had regularly scheduled youth rally/revivals. I was asking about neo-calvinist beliefs on the elect and THEIR idea of salvation. Pastors, like you, at 45,000+ SBC churches should be having family talks to address this drift in theology and shift in ecclesiology. I cannot say it emphatically enough this only proves that these people are deceivers. That was precisely what it was not. Are you only elect if you become a neo-calvinist? Hence it is not strange, that by the Apostle a taste of heavenly gifts, and by Christ himself a temporary faith, is ascribed to them. Spiritual abuse survivors are just too sure that what they know is true and have trouble staying quiet about it. http://www.ibcberlin.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/bridge.pdf I sat under it for over a decade, and have studied it intensively since then. An appeal of the ruling is guaranteed. They were all sharing and exploiting their own children and other children.. Instead of unconditional election we held to election by foreknowledge. Root 66: They have a very disturbing teaching you dont hear much about called Evanescent Grace, in which a reprobate (unsaved or unregenerate) person is led to think and feel they might be saved, but in the end they are not.In my opinion, thats a pretty nasty thing for God to do.No thanks!The Bible tells me that I can KNOW that I have eternal life!I think Ill stick with that! Pete turned 78 years old. However, Dispy Endtimes will have an established influence. LOUD's 2023 VCT Roster: Talented, Experienced, and Dangerous. He never realized the Iron Throne has room for Only One. Their very minor contributions in no way detracts from the glory, heroism, or contribution of the rescuers. . I dont think the old guard is the problem.Its the new guard the just-educated men graduating from our SBC seminaries. He simply did not teach honestly what the doctrines actually mean, and often spoke in what I came to later see as deliberately misleading language. Something that always bothered me as a professing follower of Jesus was the refusal of my fellow-congregants to do anything other than download resources off the interweb for every and any occasion. Sometimes I hear people talking about what Calvinists believe and it all sounds pretty far afield from my experience with it. As far as I can tell is is not viewed that way by the vast majority of people who call themselves Reformed. Cuz all that matters is my little echo chamber. The pastor in our neocal former church once took the congregation to task for too many people getting up and going back and forth to the bathroom during his sermons, refugee: The pastor in our neocal former church once took the congregation to task for too many people getting up and going back and forth to the bathroom during his sermons. Does anyone know? Lily Rose on Tue Sep 25, 2018 at 08:34 AM said: Im not sure I understand what they mean by elect. Oops, Lutheran Formula of Concord (1577) uses the term our Reformed churches of those holding to the Augsburg Confession: https://books.google.com/books?id=Z9a8E4o9bnwC&pg=PA536&dq=our+reformed+churches. Anyone see the Popes comments yesterday? In 2012, Greear answered this question, Pastor J.D., Are You a Calvinist?on his website. Very confusing. You can see Pete preach on petebriscoe.org. Im guessing they all get their material from TGC or the like. Nick Bulbeck: Well Id be careful how far you push that one. 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